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The Usenix LISA conference is no more. After 35 years, I have a lot of good (and some not good) memories of the conference. It was a big part of my career and I'm sad to see it go. However I'm proud of what LISA accomplished.

I wrote my personal reflections on the conference in a new article published on the Usenix website. Warning: this article includes some over-sharing.

Read it here: LISA made LISA obsolete (That's a compliment!)

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in HistoryLISAUsenix

Congrats to the LISA organizing committee for another successful conference! The Usenix LISA conference was in Boston this year, and ran Sunday to Friday as usual. This was the 30th conference.

What I learned:

  • I learned that the coming generation of servers from Dell/HP/etc. will have terabytes of persistent RAM (RAM that retains info between reboots). Operations will have to radically change how they do operations (rebooting won't clear RAM). Software engineers will be re-thinking software designs. (John Roese, Dell EMC)
  • I learned that Homomorphic encryption lets you do math on encrypted data, and you get encrypted results. No need to decrypt the source material. I also learned the limits of blockchain/bitcoin hype. (Radia Perlman)
  • I learned that story telling is more powerful than facts, and it can be as simple as starting out a presentation with an anecdote that involves a conflict and a resolution. (Jessica Hilt)
  • I learned that Total Ownership Model solves a lot of operations ills by making everyone responsible for uptime, so devs and ops have an inventive to work together. (Courtney Eckhardt)
  • I learned that Facebook's slides had all IPv6 examples, and icons for "clients" were always phones. Welcome to the future! (Patrick Shuff)
  • I learned that a non-obvious benefit of using declarative languages for configuration management is that the "preview what changes will be made" feature is practically automatic. (Mitchell Hashimoto, HashiCorp)
  • I learned that ants invented TCP/IP's rate-limiting algorithm. (Jane Adams, Two Sigma)
  • I learned that Christine Hogan and I can co-present, finish on time, and people will laugh at our jokes. (Limoncelli/Hogan)
  • I learned that the LGBTQAA* BoF session had many attendees that were concerned that the title should use .* (a regex) instead of * (a glob). (link)
  • I learned that a channel for a conference is great, even when it is unofficial.
  • I learned that Google is in awe that StackOverflow still doesn't need to shard its database. (Niall Murphy and Todd Underwood, Google)
  • I learned that a story I told during one tutorial would make a good short-form poem at another. (link)
  • I learned that Jupyter is an amazing lab notebook. It is a shame I don't use Python any more.
  • I learned that Machine Learning can be done on a laptop with Python, and useful results can be done without having terabytes of data and thousands of machines. (Matt Harrison, MetaSnake)
  • The SESA '16 conference (co-located with LISA): I learned about some massive (16,000 students/year) sysadmin education programs, how DevOps can be integrated into university-level system administration curriculum, and more.

The conference gaVe me foresight into technology that will be coming to products in the next 6-18 months and how my job will be affected. It also gave me a lot of new ideas I can implement right away.

I'd also like to thank the people that attended my 2 tutorials, the book signing, and the 3 presentations that Christine and I did. We distributed more than 300 flyers and coupons for our books, and gave away 20 free copies of TPOSANA/TPOCSA. I met a lot of new people this year; definitely more than last year.

I'm looking forward to LISA '17, which will be in San Francisco, October 29-November 3, 2017. The call for participation will be announced soon. Next year's chairs are Connie-Lynne Villani and Caskey Dickson. I look forward to their amazing conference!

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Solaris being canned.

"Solaris being canned, at least 50% of teams to be RIF'd in short term. Hardware teams being told to cease development. There will be no Solaris 12, final release will be 11.4. Orders coming straight from Larry."

The crazy people that said that Oracle bought Sun just to shut it down and use the patents to sue Google are looking pretty non-crazy now. I guess once the lawsuit was lost (and boy was it expensive) the shutdown was inevitable.

Of course, not funding SPARC development so that it could stay competitive with Intel didn't help much either.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in IndustryLISA

Christine Hogan and I will be co-presenting a talk at Usenix LISA '16 entitled "Stealing the Best Ideas from DevOps: A Guide for Sysadmins without Developers". Full details are on the LISA website. The talk will cover a lot of the devops-y material from our newest book, the 3rd edition of TPOSANA. We'll be doing a book-signing shortly after the talk.

In addition, I'll also be teaching two half-day tutorials: "Personal Time Management: The Basics for Sysadmins That Are Overloaded" and "How to Not Get Paged: Managing On-Call to Reduce Outages".

Links to all of this here.

If you haven't registered for LISA yet, do it now!

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISASpeaking

The 2015 USENIX Container Management Summit (UCMS '15) will take place November 9, 2015, during LISA15 in Washington, D.C.

Important Dates

  • Submissions due: September 5, 2015, 11:59 p.m. PDT
  • Notification to participants: September 19, 2015
  • Program announced: Late September 2015

(quoting the press release):

UCMS '15 is looking for relevant and engaging speakers and workshop facilitators for our event on November 9, 2015, in Washington, D.C. UCMS brings together people from all areas of containerization--system administrators, developers, managers, and others--to identify and help the community learn how to effectively use containers.

Submissions Proposals may be 45- or 90-minute formal presentations, panel discussions, or open workshops.

This will be a one-day summit. Speakers should be prepared for interactive sessions with the audience. Workshop facilitators should be ready to challenge the status quo and provide real-world examples and strategies to help attendees walk away with tools and ideas to improve their professional lives. Presentations should stimulate healthy discussion among the summit participants.

Submissions in the form of a brief proposal are welcome though September 5, 2015. Please submit your proposal via email to [email protected]. You can also reach the chairs via that email address with any questions or comments. Presentation details will be communicated to the presenters of accepted talks and workshops by September 19, 2015. Speakers will receive a discount for the conference admission. If you have special circumstances, please contact the USENIX office at [email protected].

Click for more info.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISAUsenix

Hey all you devops, CI/CD/CD people! Hey all you packagers, launchers, and shippers. Hey all your containers mavins and site reliability engineers!

Submissions due: September 4, 2015 - 11:59 pm

(quoting the press release):

At the third USENIX Release Engineering Summit (URES '15), members of the release engineering community will come together to advance the state of release engineering, discuss its problems and solutions, and provide a forum for communication for members of this quickly growing field. We are excited that this year LISA attendees will be able to drop in on talks so we expect a large audience.

URES '15 is looking for relevant and engaging speakers for our event on November 13, 2015, in Washington, D.C. URES brings together people from all areas of release engineering--release engineers, developers, managers, site reliability engineers and others--to identify and help propose solutions for the most difficult problems in release engineering today.

Click for more info.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISAUsenix

My talk and 2 tutorial proposals have been accepted at Usenix LISA LISA Conference!

  • Talk:
    • Transactional system administration is killing us and must be stopped
  • Tutorials:
    • How To Not Get Paged: Managing Oncall to Reduce Outages
    • Introduction to Time Management for busy Devs and Ops

The schedule isn't up yet at but Usenix is encouraging speakers to post to social media early this year.

See you in Washington DC Nov 8-13, 2015!

P.S. You can follow LISA on various social networks:

Update: 2015-06-16 I changed the title to "some of my proposals" instead of "my proposals". To be clear, I had many rejections this year, I just don't blog about those. That said, I think LISA is a better conference when it increases its speaker diversity and you can't do that if the same few people give a lot of talks.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISAUsenix

I received an interesting email recently:

Did the submissions process for LISA change in recent years? I recall going to submit a talk a couple years ago and being really put off by the requirements for talks to be accompanied by a long paper, and be completely original and not previously presented elsewhere. Now it seems more in line with other industry conferences.

Yes, LISA is very different than it was years ago. If you haven't attended LISA in a while, you may not realize how different it is!

The conference used to be focused on papers with a few select "invited talks". A few years ago, the conference changed its focus to be great talks. LISA still accepts "original research" papers, but they're just one track in a much larger conference and have a separate review process. In fact, the conference now publishes both a Call for Participation and a separate Call for Research Papers and Posters.

If LISA is now "talk-centric", what kind of talks does it look for? Quoting from the Call for Participation, "We invite industry leaders to propose topics that demonstrate the present and future state of IT operations. [Talks should] inspire and motivate attendees to take actions that will positively impact their business operations." LISA looks for a diverse mix of speakers, not just gender diversity, but newcomers and experienced speakers alike. We have special help for first time speakers, including assistant with rehearsals and other forms of mentoring.

What about the papers that LISA does publish? The papers have different criteria than talks. They should "describe new techniques, tools, theories, and inventions, and present case histories that extend our understanding of system and network administration." Starting in 2014, the papers have been evaluated by a separate sub-committee of people with academic and research backgrounds. This has had an interesting side-effect: the overall quality of the papers has improved and become more research/forward-looking.

Because LISA mixes industry talks and research papers, attendees get to hear about new ideas along before they become mainstream. Researchers benefit by having the opportunity to network and get feedback from actual practitioners of system administration. This gives LISA a special something you don't find anywhere else.

Another thing that makes LISA better is the "open access" policy. Posters, papers, and presentations are available online at no charge. This gives your work wider visibility, opening up the potential to have greater impact on our industry. Not all conferences do this, not even all non-profit conferences do this.

Does that make you more interested in submitting a proposal?

We hope it does!

All proposal submissions are due by April 17, 2015.

  • Tom Limoncelli and Matt Simmons
  • (volunteer content-recruiters for LISA '15)

P.S. LISA has a new mission statement: LISA is the premier conference for IT operations, where systems engineers, operations professionals, and academic researchers share real-world knowledge about designing, building, and maintaining the critical systems of our interconnected world.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISAUsenix

Only 3 weeks left to submit talk and paper proposals for LISA 2015. This year's conference is in Washington D.C. on November 8-13.

This might be a good weekend to spend time writing your first draft!

Don't be afraid to submit proposals early. Unsure of your topic? Contact the chairs and bounce ideas off of them.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Tom will be teaching tutorials and giving other presentations at Usenix LISA in Seattle Washington, Nov 9-14, 2014.


  • Work Like a Team: Best Practices for Team Coordination and Collaborations So You Aren't Acting Like a Group of Individuals (S5)
  • Evil Genius 101: Subversive Ways to Promote DevOps and Other Big Changes (M7)
  • How To Not Get Paged: Managing Oncall to Reduce Outages (T8)


Book Signing:

  • TBA (still being worked out)

We're really excited about LISA this year. It is full of all new material and speakers. I'm really psyched and can't wait to attend!

I'll be doing a book signing at Usenix LISA on Friday at 10:30am in the LISA Lab. The first 10 people to arrive will receive a free (printed) copy of the new book The Practice of Cloud System Administration. (I'll also sign other books you bring.) For info about the new book, please attend my talk "Radical Ideas from the Practice of Cloud Computing" on Wednesday at 11:45am-12:30 pm in Grand Ballroom C. I'll also be teaching tutorials and mini-tutorials.

Register for LISA today!

Katherine Daniels (known as @beerops on Twitter) interviewed me about the presentations I'll be doing at the upcoming Usenix LISA '14 conference. Check it out:

Register soon! Seating in my tutorials is limited!

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in ConferencesLISA

Register by Mon, October 20 and take advantage of the early bird pricing.

I'll be teaching tutorials on managing oncall, team-driven sysadmin tools, upgrading live services and more. Please register soon and save!

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA


The schedule for 2014 has been published and OMG it looks like an entirely new conference. By "new" I mean "new material"... I don't see slots filled with the traditional topics that used to get repeated each year. By "new" I also mean that all the sessions are heavily focused on forward-thinking technologies instead of legacy systems. This conference looks like the place to go if you want to move your career forward.

LISA also has a new byline: LISA: Where systems engineering and operations professionals share real-world knowledge about designing, building, and maintaining the critical systems of our interconnected world.

The conference website is here:

I already have approval from my boss to attend. I can't wait!

Disclaimer: I helped recruit for the tutorials, but credit goes to the tutorial coordinator and Usenix staff who did much more work than I did.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Whether you are submitting a talk proposal, workshop, tutorial, or research paper, the call for participation submission deadline has been extended to Friday, 4/18!

Submit today!

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

This year the LISA CFP is different both in content and form. This represents a big change for this conference LISA. There is less emphasis on academic talks and instead more emphasis on high-impact, cutting edge talks on what sysadmins need to know about today and in the coming 18-24 months. If you consider the changes over the last few years, soon LISA will be unrecognizable (in a good way) from LISA of the past.

This year the focus is on 5 topics:

  • Systems Engineering (Large scale design challenges, Cloud and hybrid cloud deployments, Software Defined Networks (SDN); Virtualization; HA and HPC Clustering; Cost effective, scalable storage; Hadoop/Big Data; Configuration management)
  • Culture (Business communication and capital planning; Continuous delivery and product management; Distributed and remote worker challenges; On-call challenges; Standardization to support automation; Standards and regulatory compliance)
  • Devops (Site reliability engineering; Development frameworks for Ops; Release engineering; API-driven operations; Continuous deployment and fault resilience; The Ops side of DevOps)
  • Monitoring/Metrics (Monitoring, alerting, and logging systems; Analytics, interpretation, and application of system data; Visualization of system data)

  • Security (Network IDS and IPS; Incident management; Disaster resilience and mitigation; Security testing frameworks; Continuous release security; Current security challenges)

I'm excited that LISA is modernizing and updating (and I'm glad to be on the committee).

The form of the CFP is very different too. In past years it has been page after page of text that, to be honest, makes my eyes hurt after a while. Now it is succinct and focused with a "Submit your proposal" link at the end.

I'd like to point out that rather than emphasizing academic research papers, that isn't even mentioned until the end. People that think of LISA as a "ivory tower researcher" conference will be pleasantly surprised. Research papers are now a specific track, constructed by a separate committee so that the main organizing committee can focus on bringing in the best talks and tutorials.

You should also notice that the term "invited talks" no longer appears in the CFP. Everyone is asked to submit their proposals and the committee will pick the best. (This was true in past years, but the term "invited" was left in place.) Of course, the committee will be chasing down particular people and topic experts, but if you don't hear from the committee, don't be shy! Reach out to us!

Proposals are due April 14, 2014. Please submit your proposals ASAP!

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Ben Cotton wrote up a summary of my Evil Genius 101 tutorial:

Thanks for the great summary, Ben!

(Ben Blogs at FunnelFiasco)

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Tom will be teaching 2 tutorials, doing a book signing, and including the all-new Evil Genius 101 half-day class.

  Tuesday AM: Half-day tutorial: Advanced Time Management: Team Efficiency Updated!
  Tuesday PM: Half-day tutorial: Evil Genius 101 New!
  Thursday, 1-1:30PM: Book Signing in Exhibit Hall C
  Thursday, 2-3:30PM: "Time Management Office Hours" (one-on-one time management counseling) New!
  Friday, 9-10:30AM: Guru Session "Time Management for Sysadmins" (Harding Room)

The schedule of Usenix LISA sessions has been updated with icons that represents categories: DevOps, Cloud System Administration, Coding, Linux, Soft Skills and Women in Advanced Computing. Check it out.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Talks are no more than 5 minutes with no AV (no slides, no videos, no projector). They can be on any topic though we prefer topics related to System Administration. Please keep the content 'professional' in tone.

Sign up here.

With only 5 minutes to give the talk it is important that you cut to the chase. I've seen some people make the mistake of spending a lot of time on something inconsequential like how to install the software they're talking about (and the talk wasn't about installation techniques). The best talks I've seen start with a solid explanation of the problem (in terms of the pain being caused) then explain the solution.

Because the talk is limited to 5 minutes, I highly recommend you rehearse in front of a friend or two before hand. It is worth it.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Book signing at LISA

People often tell me they wanted to ask me to sign a copy of my book but "didn't bring it to the conference because they didn't think I'd want to be bothered". The truth is that (nearly) all authors love to be asked to sign their book.

I'll be doing a book signing on Thursday at 1pm in the exhibit hall.

Other authors such as Mark Burgess and Diego Zamboni will be there to sign books too.

I hope to see you there!


Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Register ASAP before all the seats are gone. This year my classes are all on Tuesday which is the most popular day to attend. That means the seats will fill up even faster.

I've totally revamped my "Advanced Time Management: Team Efficiency" tutorial and my entirely new "Evil Genius 101" class is chock full of DevOps goodness plus a lot of traditional "how to sell your evil plan to management" badness.

Register today:

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

IPv6 Flashcards

In IPv4 there are a number of things that every sysadmin knows. I bet you recognize the following:

  • /24
  • /26
  • /32

You probably didn't even have to think hard about most of those.

So what are the equivalents in IPv6? I don't mean the direct translations, but what is the list of terms and numbers that sysadmins should know?

I recently sat down and came up with such a list. I listed things that Unix and Windows sysadmins should know. WAN/LAN network administrators need to know a lot, lot, more. This just covers common knowledge, a lot like the IPv4 list above.

Next I did what any good geek would do: I made Flashcards.

You can study them, quiz yourself, and even print them out. They make a great birthday gift (not really).

The flashcards are here: Click "start study session" then either "standard" or "4D". The "Printer Friendly HTML" view is good too.

I'd like to thank Phillip Remaker Eliot Lear (both from Cisco) and Shumon Huque (from UPenn) for their help proofreading the cards. Shumon gets special thanks since I used his slides to get most of the information. Shumon will be teaching classes at Usenix LISA 2013 on DNSSEC and, of course, IPv6!

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in IPv6LISA

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

I got email the other day asking for advice about building a private cloud. There are plenty of vendors out there that want to help you. There are also a lot of open source solutions.

I'm not an expert in all of them, so I can't really give a lot of advice. However there is an impressive number of presentations about building and/or running private and public clouds at Usenix LISA this year. You should consider attending this conference.

But here's a little secret about Usenix LISA. The presentations are great, but by just hanging out in the hallway chatting with people (the unofficial "hallway track") you'll get the "inside scoop" that most presentations won't tell you.

So, while many of the LISA presentations are live-streamed, you really should go to the conference. This year it is in Washington D.C., Nov 3-8.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

I keep reading all these horror stories about women being treated badly at technical conferences. I haven't seen a lot of positive stories. I think the conferences that are doing a good job need some recognition. That's why I've made a list of presentations being given by women at the next Usenix LISA conference. Conferences that are doing a good job of inclusion need to be highlighted.

This year the conference is in Washington D.C., Nov 3-8.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Debugging is an important system administration skill.

I didn't realize there was so much to know about debugging until I worked at a computer repair shop in high school. PC repair has basically two techniques: Technique 1: remove all the cards and add them back until the system doesn't work. The last part you added was the problem. Technique 2: Remove cards one by one until the system works. The last part you removed was the problem.

In system administration the technique is more about coming up with a mental model of how the system is supposed to work and testing each component to see that it is working that way. Rob Pike explains software debugging similarly.

The problem, then, is how do you understand how a Linux/Unix system works? You have to understand kernels, storage, networks, processes... it's a lot to learn.

I've made a list of presentations that will be at the next Usenix LISA conference that teach Unix internals or are "technical skill building" of one type or another.

You can see the list here.

I don't endorse products with one exception: The Usenix LISA conference.

This year the conference is in Washington D.C., Nov 3-8.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Someone asked me the other day if I had a "secret of my success". They didn't believe that I got this far on my good looks. (ha ha ha). For most of my career I've been on teams of people where some knew how to code and others didn't. The ones that could code were significantly more productive than the others.

Currently I do most of my programming in Python and BASH. There is an excellent full-day tutorial on Python at this year's LISA. There are also full-day tutorials on Puppet, Chef, BASH Shell Scripting ("the command line" is more than just typing commands, eh?).

I've put together a list of programming-related tutorials at this year's LISA. All of them are taught by people that I personally know are excellent and caring instructors.

Check out my list of Usenix LISA tutorials that improve your programming skills.

This year the conference is in Washington D.C., Nov 3-8.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

DevOps at LISA

A shout out to the conference planning committee of Usenix LISA this year. Narayan and Skaar did a great job! The amount of DevOps content is unbelievable. All 6 days have DevOps content that I want to attend from 9am to 5pm. It is going to run me ragged.

I've put together a list of all the DevOps content I found in the program. Click here for my list.

This year the conference is in Washington D.C., Nov 3-8.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

Grants are available for women that want to attend Usenix LISA, in Washington D.C., Nov 3-8.

This year the LISA '13 Grants for Women are Sponsored by Google. Five women will be selected from the applicants to receive $500 US to apply toward travel/accommodation costs. Apply today! (Sept. 30 deadline)

The first time I ever attended a Usenix conference was on a student grant. If I recall correctly I received $80 for round-trip train fare between NJ and Washington D.C. As a student it felt like a million dollars. That was a long time ago. That same ticket now costs about $380.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA

There is a devops-related talk in every hour of this year's Usenix LISA conference. Usenix LISA Is a general conference with many tracks going on at any time. A little analysis finds there is always at least one DevOps related talk (usually more than one). This is very impressive. The problem, however, is that many of the talk titles don't make this clear. No worries, I've done the research for you.

[I apologize in advance for any typo or errors. Please report any problems in the comments. The conference website has the latest information. Other lists of presentations: Programming, Unix/Linux administration technical skills, Cloud Computing, and Women at Usenix LISA.]

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in ConferencesDevOpsLISA

If you are an junior Linux/Unix sysadmin looking to advance your technical skills, here is a list of talks, workshops, and tutorials that you should attend at Usenix LISA 2013.

These are skill-building, technical presentations. I only made exceptions for a few "soft topics" talks only if they are for junior sysadmins looking to advance their careers.

[I apologize in advance for any typo or errors. Please report any problems in the comments. The conference website has the latest information. Other lists of presentations: DevOps, Programming, Unix/Linux administration technical skills, Cloud Computing, and Women at Usenix LISA.]

If you run private or public clouds (or want to) here is a list of talks, workshops, and tutorials that you should attend at Usenix LISA 2013.

[I apologize in advance for any typo or errors. Please report any problems in the comments. The conference website has the latest information. Other lists of presentations: DevOps, Programming, Unix/Linux administration technical skills, and Women at Usenix LISA.]

This year's Usenix LISA conference has two exciting events about Women and Computing:

Sunday, Nov 3, 2013:

Thursday, Nov 7, 2013:

  • 11:00 a.m.-12:30 p.m.
  • Panel: Women in Advanced Computing
  • Moderator: Rikki Endsley, USENIX Association; Panelists: Amy Rich, Mozilla Corporation; Deanna McNeil, Learning Tree International; Amy Forinash
  • Format: Panel

Participation by women at this year's conference is impressive. Here is a list of talks (I may be missing some, I'm going by first name which is an imperfect algorithm.)

If you want to learn to program better, Usenix LISA 2013 has a number of excellent presentations.

Usenix LISA 2013 Presentations that teach coding:

Sunday, Nov 3, 2013:

Monday, Nov 4, 2013:

Wednesday, Nov 6, 2013:

Thursday, Nov 7, 2013:

Friday, Nov 8, 2013:

Other lists of presentations: DevOps, Unix/Linux administration technical skills, Cloud Computing, and Women at Usenix LISA.

[I apologize in advance for any typo or errors. Please report any problems in the comments. The conference website has the latest information.]

Usenix LISA is early this year. This means two things: It isn't overlapping the December holiday rush (yeah!) but it overlaps with election day (boo!).

New Jersey has an important election this year. I don't want to miss it. Therefore I'm sending away for my New Jersey Application For Vote by Mail Ballot right away. In all states you can vote by Absentee Ballot but you can't do it "same day". You have to write in to apply well in advance and mail it in (depending on the state) far in advance of the real election day. Information on how to do this in your state is available online.

If there's an important election (and they're all important, IMHO) in your state, be sure to find out what you have to do so that your vote is counted.

And if you live in New Jersey, I hope you vote for Barabara for Governor. Or at least vote against our mean-spirited Governor who vetoed the same-sex marriage equality bill that passed in both the Assembly and Senate. He vetoed any attempt to stop corruption related to Hurricane Sandy Relief. He vetoed the bill to decriminalize marijuana. He's a mean-spirited man that should not be in politics. Let's get him out of Trenton.

Posted by Tom Limoncelli in LISA